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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 15, 2011 20:20:55 GMT -5
You guys realize Tigers doesn't get A-Gon's new contract at the end of the year, right? He's still going to be a FA because his new contract wasn't signed before Jan 1st.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 15, 2011 23:17:48 GMT -5
Yes I do. It had to be by next January first. Not last one.
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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 16, 2011 0:16:55 GMT -5
Not at all. If that were true, I'd have AGon right now. The contract you have for AGon is the one he had this January 1st, therefore his contract expires this year and he becomes a FA.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 16, 2011 14:03:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure how that would make you have him right now but it locks next January first for upcoming FA's. I talked to the LMs when I made the trade and they confirmed that.
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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 18, 2011 21:10:54 GMT -5
Because I originally traded for AGon, but when the old LM told me that I wouldn't get his new contract, I voided the deal.
But that's besides the point. If you get AGon's new contract, I'm leaving the league because you can't just change the rules in April. Even if you do get his new contract, you're over cap and your stats for the last week don't count.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 18, 2011 23:20:02 GMT -5
If I get his new contract then I'm not over cap, he still has the same salary for this year.
But how do you think I would feel if I find out I don't get it? I traded a lot for him thinking that I would get the extension if he signed one. Multiple teams told me that I did including the LM.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 18, 2011 23:20:41 GMT -5
Speaking of the LMs, where have they been during this whole debate? I'd like to hear what they say.
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Post by WhiteSoxGM (Michael) on Apr 19, 2011 6:47:18 GMT -5
I'm not really an LM but I have heard LMs saying what Tigers said on numerous occasions.
On the other hand, here are the rules:
"After a player's 6th year is over you will have the option of picking up their new contract, on cots, or letting them go to Free Agency. The lock date for choosing if u want to keep the player is January 1st and that is the same time that their new contract will be locked. For example, if player A's 6th year ended this year, he has a contract that extends through 2012, I would be able to pick up that contract and have that player through 2012."
You guys be the judges.
While I'm at it, we need to revive this league and get new owners.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 19, 2011 10:06:54 GMT -5
Yeah definitely agree with that last point, that we need to get some new owners. It seems like half of the league has gone inactive.
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Post by WhiteSoxGM (Michael) on Apr 19, 2011 12:04:16 GMT -5
Yeah we should make a list of teams with inactive owners.
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Post by cmill78 on Apr 19, 2011 12:35:02 GMT -5
Once January 1st passes, all contracts had before that time are what we go with during the entire season. However, the roster lock date is the end of the World Series, therefore after that date all players who are not Free Agents are kept by the team they are on with the contract they currently have. A-Gone is therefore a Tiger still due to the fact that he had a contract signed after the roster lock date and before the January 1st 2012 deadline for Free Agents to sign (as he already signed before that date).
The old LM told many different people many different versions of his own rules. When a couple other league members and myself called him on that, he walked away.
This is the true meaning of the rules as written and it will remain that way unless rules are voted to be changed. If people are uncomfortable about this then submit a rule change under the thread I made many moons ago and during the off-season we can tweak things.
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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 20, 2011 16:31:03 GMT -5
Look, this makes no sense. Either Tigers gets his old contract or his new contract for this year. If he gets his old contract, the lock date is Jan 1st of that year and AGon is a FA. If he gets his new contract, the lock date is... I don't even know, and Tigers gets AGon's new contract, but is over cap by a lot. Again, this is total bs since I should have AGon right now if this is true.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 20, 2011 17:33:08 GMT -5
If a player signs an extension before the world series than the players team gets his extension if they want it. Its not that complicated. I'm not over cap at all, his contract remains the same this season and then the extension kicks in next year.
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Post by WhiteSoxGM (Michael) on Apr 20, 2011 17:46:00 GMT -5
Oy vey this again
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Post by cmill78 on Apr 20, 2011 23:41:42 GMT -5
Tigers has A-Gones old contract at the moment. Once the World Series ends he has the option to keep him with the new contract since he signed before Jan. 1st 2012.
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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 20, 2011 23:44:12 GMT -5
Look, you either get his new contract, or his old contract. You can't have it both ways. The option can only be picked up for players leaving their 6th year. AGon is not in this category.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 20, 2011 23:56:15 GMT -5
It seems like you don't get how this works Dodgers.... Currently and for the rest of this season, I have his "old" contract. After the season but before January 1st, 2012, teams have the option of picking up any contract extension signed by a player on their team before the deadline (example: Adrian Gonzalez).
So Gonzalez's extension doesn't even matter until after the season. It is then that I will decide whether or not I want to take on his "new" contract.
This goes for all players with expiring deals this season. If Pujols were to sign a huge extension in July then after the season his team would choose whether or not to accept the contract extension.
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Post by TigerzGM on Apr 20, 2011 23:59:35 GMT -5
The option to pick up a players contract after his 6th year is completely unrelated to this.
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Post by Dodgers GM on Apr 21, 2011 16:12:38 GMT -5
No, the rule of picking up a player's contract extension only applies for 6th year players. Every other player's contract is decided by what they got in FA in this league, or what the real life contract was on Jan 1st. You don't get A-Gon's extension, same as the Red Sox don't get Pujols' extension. You clearly don't understand how this works, but you're going to have to pay market value for AGon if you want to re-sign him at FA next year.
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Post by cmill78 on Apr 22, 2011 16:20:15 GMT -5
There is an issue with the way that the old LM had written these rules. Yes, it is only for a player on his 6th season however if a player re-signs during the season (which would be before the January 1st deadline) then according to those rules, that player can remain on that team. I had the same issue with a player. I was told by this LM (the guy who wrote the rules) that if my player had re-signed before January 1st That I would get him. Well, A-Gone has signed before the Januray 1st deadline so therefore he remains on the team. These are two seperate rules that are being mixed together.
So, if the deadline in this league for possible Free Agents to resign is January 1st, then Tigers has already beat that deadline.
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